The exchange of cred in accordance with an explicitly agreed upon contract weakens the value of the cred system

Is the Mayor about to have his first scandal? "I did not give cred to that woman."

Good one Robert.

Perhaps Jyte could allow people a different kind of cred which wouldn't go into the main pool. Perhaps something like a "just-for-fun" recognition or something.

I thought the TOS represented an agreed upon contract.

I am not a lawyer but I do not see anything about the exchange of cred in the TOS.

Unless Vynce is a lawyer and is representing JANRAIN I suggest he doesn't know what he is talking about in this matter and his opinion is of little or no value in the discussion.

I value Vynce's opinion on this and all matters in fact. I pointed to the TOS since I feel that's the only explicit contract that binds us (indirectly through Jyte/JanRain) so I wouldn't worry about any other insinuation.

I think Vynce is referring to saying "I'll give you cred if you give me cred", not to any binding legal contract.

I know, I'm being pedantic. So smiley in case Vynce comes back. I wouldn't want to appear frivolous.

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I too value his opinion most of the time but his insinuation that I have somehow broken a explicitly agreed upon contract is way out of bounds and pretty far fetched in my opinion. Furthermore, I think his controlling nature is rude, inappropriate and unappreciated by many.

I agree with Vynce apart from this one exception: when it's funny or particularly. The Mayoral election is funny and useful.

Voting by cred is a similar idea to auditable voting (voting by comment) and I like it. It's useful to do it that way... you don't have to setup a bunch of claims.

And it's funny.

Let's get this clear up front: I am not a lawyer, I was not representing Jyte, I do not represent Jyte, and I have never claimed to either be a lawyer or represent Jyte in this matter. Nor do I think it's relevant.

Mayor White: I was not saying that you had broken any explicitly agreed upon contract. I was not even saying you had done anything wrong, necessarily. I was saying that when people offer explicit cred contracts, it makes the rest of the cred system worth a little less. I never said it was against the TOS.

The exchange of cred is not what Jyte's cred system is about. The giving of cred -- sometimes from Alice to Bob and Bob to Alice but each gift independent -- is the what the system is for. If this seems too fine a distinction for you, what I'm addressing is any agreement like "I'll give you foo if you give me bar". I believe you should give people foo because you trust them with foo and for no other reason.

As for me being "controlling" -- I'm sorry if people feel I am being controlling. I am merely expressing my opinions about what I would consider optimal behavior. I don't call myself the tag police except in jest; I don't demand that people must change their ways or tags; I merely suggest tags that I think would be worth doing.

And Nic: even the funny ones weaken the system. They weaken the system less if both Alice and Bob have given each other serious creds already.
They can be funny enough to be worth it -- but the weakening of the system is an unavoidable cost.

The trouble is that jyte is a game. The game part of it is about cred. Giving away cred is a serious matter. So if the Mayor is to setup something interesting like his Mayoral vote by cred, which I think is an interesting and sensible step, then he has to offer an incentive.

That's fair I think.

At the end of the day the cred system is the cred system and people will use it how they see fit.

Having said *that*, we should note that Brian and Rorek have said that the cred system might evolve to punish those who give simply reciprocal cred. I hope they don't because it seems to be what jyters want.

Lastly, I think the cred system is working is it not? Apart from the fact that I have more cred than Vynce right now which is very silly but will no doubt be rectified by the end of the week.

what? You try to not seem credible, but you are. you're a much more exerienced coder than me, I can tell.

Nah. I'm just older than you.

You should have more cred than me here. You are a pillar of this community. I'm just a rug.

When I pointed out the TOS, I wasn't saying the Mayor's action were against it. I was saying the TOS is the "explicit agreed upon contract that binds us. I fear I was gravely misunderstood.