Programmers are hideously expensive.

Not if you buy the off brand.

So stagehands are more expensive than programmers? That's funny.

P--Stagehands or programmers?

Depends on the stagehand. I have shows I can't send people to because the people don't look straight laced enough. We do a lot of corporate gigs and trade show type of stuff. Though I'm missing what that has to do with their comparative financial value. If programmers are making around $15 these days, then I doubled my value in the job market by dropping out of college and being lazy.

Go me!

I'm sure the $15/hr figure is starting wage, and not in the bay area.

fifteen an hour is thirty grand a year. And most of the programmers I know don't make OT. Even if it's 40K/year, my take home is higher, and I get more time off.

butyou aren't entry level. and you ar ein the bay area. which means you'r ecomparing wholesale apples and retail oranges.

My coworkers (many of whom are entry level) started at $15 to $20. And I'm not sure the pay rate is that much higher in the bay area, that's why I was asking.

i think in the bay area, entry level coders get $20 to $30, depending on the level of programming.

Thanks, Vynce, that's what I was asking.

they call that outsourcing.

In the Portland area I occasionally see people/companys offering positions at $15/hr. As a developer I find this offensive... I have spent more time "learning" my profession than many who earn 100k+ per year. I have spent my entire adult life getting good at what I do. For you to offer me the (granted high-end) salary for an un-skilled profession, is insulting. My job-title has the word "engineer" at the end of it for a reason... you're hiring a professional engineer.

If I can earn as much working at a porn-store as you're offering for someone who has spent years learning their trade then something is wrong... you under-value your IT team. Consider that you get what you pay for.

and hideous.