Jabber is a good instant messenger

By 1 Light Lan on May 13, 2007

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7 Ryan Grove who disagreed, says

Jabber is a an instant messaging protocol, not an instant messenger.

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1 Light Lan who agreed, says

thanks for the notice; I'd never seen it

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7 Ryan Grove who disagreed, says

Note to self: when making pedantic comments, don't make stupid typos.

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8 nic who disagreed, says

You're quite wrong Ryan. This is not pedantry. How could jabber ever be considered an instant messenger?

It's like saying:
"the best browser is HTTP"

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7 Ryan Grove who disagreed, says

I'm wrong how? Are you disagreeing with my use of "pedantic"?

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8 nic who disagreed, says

Yes. It's not pedantic for you to be disagreeing with this claim because in no way could jabber be construed as an instant messenger in the same way that http could not possibly be misconstrued as a web browser.

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7 Ryan Grove who disagreed, says

Are you using some strange definition of "pedantic" that I'm not aware of?

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8 nic who disagreed, says

From WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]:

pedantic
adj : marked by a narrow focus on or display of learning especially its trivial aspects

I would not say there is a trivial distinction between a protocol and it's many implementations. It seems fairly fundamental to me.

Why do you think this is pedantic?

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8 nic who disagreed, says

Note. Jabber is a protocol. Implementations can be servers, clients or librarys which do some combination of both.

So what does the claim mean, actually? If you accept that it is referring to some implementation then it is completly ambiguous. I mean totally ambiguous.

Or does it in fact refer to the protocol? I don't know.

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7 Ryan Grove who disagreed, says

Of course you and I think there's a fundamental difference, because you and I understand the difference between a protocol and an implementation.

Joe User has no idea what that difference is, and since he uses ICQ for the ICQ protocol, AIM for the AIM protocol, and MSN for the MSN protocol, it makes perfect sense to him that he would use Jabber for the Jabber protocol.

When I pointed out that Jabber is only a protocol and not an implementation, I was being pedantic because it was obvious what the claimant meant, yet I was pointing out his mistake merely to be a pain in the ass.

By the way, WordNet tends to leave out alternate definitions of words. The word "pedantic" as used on Jyte is generally intended to mean "overly concerned with minute details or formalisms".

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7 Ryan Grove who disagreed, says

I don't. It was the "narrow focus on or display of learning" part that differed from my definition.

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6 D'Archangel who disagreed, says

And what's all this about being "overly" concerned? The nerve!

D'A

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