Flush after. Not before, not during -- after.

I have been in bathrooms many times when a courtesy flush was needed (flush during) … but you should still flush after.

Public toilets are clearly an exception since invariably the person before you will have neglected to give you the courtesy of flush to begin with and you have to deal with their waste products. Blech.

no, public toilets are not an exception.

See, if someone has taken a dump in a toilet without flushing and I add my turd straight on top of it, the toilet will likely clog. So I think there are some cases where flushing before is required, mainly when the previous user of the toilet has not followed this rule.

Yes, which is covered in the description. but it's not the fact that it's a public toilet that makes it an exception, it's the potential result.

in litigational circles, this is called having probable clog.

"But your honor, I wasn't wasting water; I had probable clog to flush the toilet."

Hmm... if someone didn't do their after-flush, I should be entitled to do it for them (should I choose to). Then I'd use the device, then I'd get my after-flush.

i disagree. aside from probable clog, or if you're about to clean the thing, once they've walked away leaving it, the damage that can be done by not flushing has been done.

I was, in particular, thinking of 2 cases:

1. Sprayback from a urinal, which is sometimes impossible (like when one designs an ellipsoid urinal whose focal point is right where you need to stand). I don't want my stuff moistening me... but even more, I don't want someone else's stuff moistening me (especially if I consider them to be a less clean person).

2. The recoil splash. Same reason really. If it happens in someone else's poop solution, I now have to go crazy cleaning off more of my ass than I had planned on. If it's my depth charges in clean water, however, I feel much better about my ability to evaluate the solidity of my plonkitude and whether that would require the same amount of cleaning.

I will readily admit that there are times for which the damage is done - don't flush. However, for this, I shall still err on the side of caution. In fact, those are both my rules for public toilets. If it is my house, my towels, my ability to go from toilet to sink without some stranger wondering why I'm ass-out-in-the-wind, then the rules are different. If I need to clean myself extra, there's the convenience of doing so without possibly getting an indecency charge thrown at me makes all the difference.

reasonablish. Not my M.O., but understandable.

I have 3 brothers, all over the age of 18, and yet they still manage to not flush the toilet.

IT IS HELL.