A claim that has a description should never be presented for voting without an indication that there is a description

can anybody over there on the red side give a reason why?

I can give a guess about D'Arch. I spoke with him in person. He disagrees with me, because he holds that you should always vote based on the claim and not the description, and if the description modifies or changes it, then it doesn't matter because the description is not what is voted on.

Presumably, given this position, you know if you don't have enough in the claim itself to vote, and so if you need the description, you are aware.

I understand the claim only view of the world, but I prefer a more balanced claim-description view most of the time.

I've heard of this "in person" idea... could you please expound upon it?

It involves an odd sort of communication that usually happens without the use of text, but in a very high bandwidth interface. If you're familiar with Second Life, it's a bit like that; it's called First Life and most people find it to be full of bugs.

Well, I've never really used Second Life, but I have used other 3D immersive online worlds. If it's anything like the one's I'm familiar with (eg. Halo 3) then everyone is 13 and likes running around calling each other "noobs". Are you saying they do this, but they can do it at a high rate of speed?

Not exactly... but I guess that's close enough. It's actually a bit more like The Sims than like Halo.

So you get to be God "in person"? I support this idea!

NOTE: 've never really played The Sims.

er. I've...

No, it's more like being a Sim than playing a Sim. I suppose I should have clarified. Except it's not like the Makin' Magic expansion pack and babies work more like they do in The Sims 2 than in The Sims.

Hmm... maybe I should get a copy so I can figure out how this all works.

I recommend it. I enjoyed The Sims, The Sims 2, and several of the expansion packs for each of those. I am hoping to get a few more expansion packs.

and you're saying you recommend "In Person" almost as highly?

Except it's not like the Makin' Magic expansion pack and babies work more like they do in The Sims 2 than in The Sims.

And we don't have a plumb-bob over our heads.

You could if you go to Backspace!

It's directly behind the player's head in this image. I know the image sucks, but it's the only one I could find.

Right, I'm not saying it's exactly like The Sims, just that it's a bit like The Sims. Although real life actually has more objects and actions than The Sims, which means it has some advantages over it. I don't think either is necessarily better, so much as they are different and both have something to offer.

By the way, don't you think Rachel that "Dead by flies" in Sims 2 it's the most grotesque and perturbing way of dying?

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

These are the instructions to kill a sim by flies:

Make one of your sims live in a very dirty environment, that is, don't make him bath himself, don't wash the dishes, leave the trash in the floor, don't make him clean absolutely anything. A sloppy sim will make you this easier.

So let the flies accumulate and when you have enough they will group themselves and attack your dirty sim, eating him alive.

That is the dead by flies.

Now that is hilarious.

Ah, I never did that. I don't like to be mean to my Sims, so I miss the cool deaths.

Someone should make a "The Sims: The Inquisition".

Wow. Lord of the flies? Re-installing sims now.